Russia wants to fly more spy planes over the US

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
02/23/2016 at 16:35 • Filed to: planelopnik

The !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! was signed in Helsinki in 1992 and took effect in 2002. Signatories to the treaty must allow other members to overfly their countries in the hopes that, if everybody knows what everybody else is doing, war will be averted. The overflights must be carried out with unarmed aircraft using video and still cameras, infrared scanning devices and certain kinds of radar. The countries that are being flown over have the right to inspect the surveillance aircraft to make sure that the provisions of the treaty are being followed.

Both the US and Russia have carried out surveillance flights of each other since the treaty took effect, but with the current rising belligerence of Russia, the US is concerned about an uptick in the number of Russian flights, and what they might be looking for. It’s very likely that Putin is doing it simply because he can, but there’s really very little the US can do about it. Putin never misses a chance to push the world’s buttons.

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DISCUSSION (19)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 16:40

If Trump becomes POTUS, he and Putin can have a bromance.

d15b > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 16:44

That’s one way of mitigating a threat.

Because deals.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 16:46

Or start a war. Whichever.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 16:47

No ELINT, right? Otherwise Putin may have found a suitable revenue generation tool to offset oil: US consumer data.

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch
02/23/2016 at 16:54

I wouldn’t put it past Pooty-poot to put a bomb on one of his planes and sacrifice his crew to create an incident. As for ELINT, I don’t know. The idea of Open Skies was first floated back in the 50s, and I think it’s mostly photographic intel they can collect, looking for troop concentrations, troop movements, etc.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 16:58

ISn’t that what Republican POTUSs do?

Zer0 sometimes clicks on things > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 16:59

Which is probably the Trump-Putin version of a Bromance. So.... Yes.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 16:59

And since everyone follows the rules...

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 17:00

What could possibly go wrong, right?

Birddog > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 17:35

Historically? No.

Democratic Presidents have started or entered more wars than Republicans.

One Dem Pres damn near started WWIII.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Birddog
02/23/2016 at 17:43

I am happy to be schooled on this, but I’m thinking about the Bush Family and Kuwait/Iraq, which has been going on for most of my adult life.

What do you refer to with WWIII?

-this space for rent- > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 18:20

The flights are announced ahead of time, it’s not like they’re a surprise. I don’t see the point.

ttyymmnn > -this space for rent-
02/23/2016 at 18:32

The point of what? The flights themselves, or the consternation over the increase?

facw > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 18:37

If I’m remembering right, we don’t even have to let them fly their own plane. We can provide one of our own that meets the specs instead, and just fly the route they request.

facw > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 18:38

Well I don’t see the point of the consternation. They’re playing by the rules, and won’t get any useful intel. Seems like people are making a mountain out of a molehill.

-this space for rent- > ttyymmnn
02/23/2016 at 19:03

Flights are pointless, more flights (and consternation thereof) are also pointless.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 19:47

I would assume he is referring to JFK and the Cuban Missile Crisis. At one point we had nuclear armed bombers sitting on the tarmac armed and waiting for the order to go.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much
02/23/2016 at 19:53

That’s interesting because in my limited knowledge of that situation, it was Russia who blinked. I guess it just depends upon who spins the story.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
02/23/2016 at 20:47

Yeah, I guess I wouldn't claim that JFK started that particular fiasco.